Can Online Roulette Be Beaten

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There are two types of online roulette, and the prospects for “making a living” online for each is explained below: 1. RNG roulette: This is where the winning number is determined by a random number generator. It is basically a slot machine with c.

EvenBob

it would be very difficult to verify any claims of casino barrings about anybody.


And even if the casino knew, they wouldn't tell you. They never give any info on casino patrons, its never in their best interest to do so.
'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
AZDuffman

Dice setting.


I think you missed the joke there.
Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing
EnvyBonus

. .. ask any pit person a specific question about who's banned, they won't tell you jack.


Quote: AZDuffman

Why, was Jack 86ed?


Dice setting.


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I think you missed the joke there.


Duff, I think you missed the Wiz's joke on your joke.
Walkinshaw30t

I have a friend who wins consistantly playing roulette in Vegas. He doesn't play a mechanical system. He has a strategy that he adjusts according to the situation. This strategy is a complicated, complex mixture of probability, statistics and experience that has all morphed into a laser like intuition on the outside bets. He can't really explain what he does, he says it all comes out sounding like 'Gamblers Fallacy'. He doesn't win every bet, but he never loses a session. Ever. When I'm in Vegas, he lets me piggyback his bets sometimes and I always come away a winner. Why do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.


Sounds interesting.
Is he betting just ECs or dozens/ columns also?
Is he betting multiple ECs each bet?
Is he varying his bet sizes?
Is he betting every spin?
Time will tell
AceTwo
Questions to EvenBob.
Your friend offered to teach you and it would take 1-2 years to learn.
Didn't you ask him even as curiosity, ok I am interested, lets start from the basics.
From what I have read there are 2 ways to beat a roullete (if at all possible)
Biased wheel
Visual ballistics.
Biased wheel is very unlikely in Vegas.
Visual ballistics is by clocking the wheel regarding the rate that the ball falls in the last few rounds of spinning.
Similar technique but by also using a laser to clock the wheel instead of visually did happen in London several years ago fand was very publicised in the media. The casino refuse to pay the win after tehy were discovered.
There are certain people who claim that they can do this visually.
In such a technique the bet is put at the last moment a few rounds before the ball drops.
Did you notice your friend doing this, ie puting the bet at the last moment.
Did he stand at a spot very near the wheel so taht he can have full visual of the rouletter wheel.
Did you notice anything else.
If you notice the above or anything else, tell us about it to see if we can infer what he was doing.
GWAE
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AxiomOfChoice

I am angry that it took me 4 pages to realize this was bumped from 4 years ago.


Lol.
Yes, Bob has gone from claiming the his friend beats roulette to claiming that he beats it. Times have changed!
FleaStiff

They say it cannot be beaten because it cannot be beaten unless you find a biased wheel, which is unlikely. There is no difference in 'probability or statistics' from one spin or wheel to the next. Experience will tell someone that.


I realize that those annunciators showing the recent history of the wheel are therefore useless, since each spin is independent and there is no ability for the wheel or the little white ball to know the past history and no force majeur determined to 'balance things out in the long run by affecting that very next spin'.
The trouble I still have is that although a run of 12 Reds might be common, it would seem it would be less common than a run of eleven Reds. And that a run of 13 Reds might be common, but is less common than a run of 12 Reds.
The observer is just as powerless as the wheel or the little white ball... but the observer sees the recent history and has the truly difficult decision. If at a Craps Table ... Point.. Seven Out is so common, isn't Red Black and Black Red more common at roulette than a continued streak?
EvenBob

Can Roulette Be Beaten

isn't Red Black and Black Red more common at roulette than a continued streak?


In the long term it's way more common.
In the extreme short term anything
can happen, and that's where you bet.Free
'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
FleaStiff

In the long term it's way more common. In the extreme short term anything can happen,
and that's where you bet.


Yes. I guess descriptive statistics about a slot machine's 'overall average' means little to the player who is solely interested in the next pull of that arm.
And the recent history of the roulette wheel is perhaps mildly interesting to the curious, but the serious gambler knows that the wheel and the little ball are ignorant of all history. This next spin can be a continuation of the streak or it can end the streak. The annunciator is there for suckers to discern patterns and because chicken entrails get the casino floor slippery.
I guess that is why all craps dealers describe the table as 'choppy'.

Free Online Roulette

Maybe I'll try that 8,500 a month at Poker.
Seems its my only hope.
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EvenBob
I have a friend who wins consistantly playing roulette in Vegas. He doesn't play a mechanical system. He has a strategy that he adjusts according to the situation. This strategy is a complicated, complex mixture of probability, statistics and experience that has all morphed into a laser like intuition on the outside bets. He can't really explain what he does, he says it all comes out sounding like 'Gamblers Fallacy'. He doesn't win every bet, but he never loses a session. Ever. When I'm in Vegas, he lets me piggyback his bets sometimes and I always come away a winner. Why do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.
'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
AZDuffman

I have a friend who wins consistantly playing roulette in Vegas. He doesn't play a mechanical system. He has a strategy that he adjusts according to the situation. This strategy is a complicated, complex mixture of probability, statistics and experience that has all morphed into a laser like intuition on the outside bets. He can't really explain what he does, he says it all comes out sounding like 'Gamblers Fallacy'. He doesn't win every bet, but he never loses a session. Ever. When I'm in Vegas, he lets me piggyback his bets sometimes and I always come away a winner. Why do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.


They say it cannot be beaten because it cannot be beaten unless you find a biased wheel, which is unlikely. There is no difference in 'probability or statistics' from one spin or wheel to the next. Experience will tell someone that.
Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing
ruascott

I have a friend who wins consistantly playing roulette in Vegas. He doesn't play a mechanical system. He has a strategy that he adjusts according to the situation. This strategy is a complicated, complex mixture of probability, statistics and experience that has all morphed into a laser like intuition on the outside bets. He can't really explain what he does, he says it all comes out sounding like 'Gamblers Fallacy'. He doesn't win every bet, but he never loses a session. Ever. When I'm in Vegas, he lets me piggyback his bets sometimes and I always come away a winner. Why do they say roulette can't be beaten, when my friend and others, I'm sure, are beating it every day.


Your friend is either a fool or a liar. Maybe both.
FleaStiff

I have a friend who wins consistently playing roulette in Vegas.

And he tells you this even though he knows you will spread the word about it and soon the casino is going to notice whats been happening right under their eyes and darn it all, that golden goose is gonna be gone, but because he is such a great friend he tells you anyway. He never loses a session, but he is the one who keeps track of it. Well, he can probably have good sessions at golf too, if he is the only one keeping the scorecard.
EvenBob

He never loses a session, but he is the one who keeps track of it.q]
I've played with him probably 15 times in the last 3 years and I always win when I piggyback on his bets. Not every bet, but every session. The casino never seems to notice him winning, he never stays very long. He doesn't seem worried about it. He just makes his money and leaves. Other people say he can't do it, what can I say. It seems more than just luck, thats what he says anyway.

'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
EvenBob

Your friend is either a fool or a liar. Maybe both.


When I play with him, how can he be lying? I don't understand what you mean.
'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
bluefire
AZDuffman's right when he says you'd need a biased wheel. What you're arguing is that Roulette isn't a game of random chance.
In a way, it isn't. If you knew *all* of the physical properties for each spin, you could figure out where the ball was going to land. This would require knowing the speed of the ball, force behind the ball, weight of the ball, speed of the wheel, etc.
The problem is that you can't and don't know all of those factors (which is the only way to truly know where the ball is going to land). And you have to make your bet well in advance of even estimating it. Hence, the probability model is much more accurate for an average player playing the game.
BTW, the *only* factors that can predict where the ball is going to land is the physical properties of each throw, which are different enough to appear to be random. Statistics can't predict where the ball is going to land on an individual throw. Neither can probability. Neither can intuition. Neither can a combination of all 3.
EvenBob
{Statistics can't predict where the ball is going to land on an individual throw. Neither can probability. Neither can intuition. Neither can a combination of all 3.}
There must be more to what he's doing, then. He really doesn't talk about it much. He's got to be 67 or 68 now and has been playing BJ and roulette in Vegas for 30 years. Thats all he does for money, I have no idea how much he makes a month. He claims he's met other roulette players in Vegas who do what he does, but not many. He says I could do it if I wanted to practice for a few years. No thanks.
'It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail.' Gore Vidal
AZDuffman

{Statistics can't predict where the ball is going to land on an individual throw. Neither can probability. Neither can intuition. Neither can a combination of all 3.}
There must be more to what he's doing, then. He really doesn't talk about it much. He's got to be 67 or 68 now and has been playing BJ and roulette in Vegas for 30 years. Thats all he does for money, I have no idea how much he makes a month. He claims he's met other roulette players in Vegas who do what he does, but not many. He says I could do it if I wanted to practice for a few years. No thanks.


There is another sure way to win at Roulette, but past-posting will extend your stay in Vegas for several years. Though prison does give you a RFB comp..........Can Online Roulette Be Beaten
Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing
Nareed
Anecdotal evidence and hearsay are nowhere near being proof. So unless you can post his method, you're wasting your time trying to convince anyone that roulette's been beaten.
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